Can the mike be rotated so that it can be on either the right or left side
of one's face?

The one demo unit I looked at was new and the mike boom was already broken,
so it was impossible to tell. It was kind of just dangling, without the
ability to be secure in either location. Are these headsets THAT fragile!

Best,
Karl

kage ) wrote:

> Can the mike be rotated so that it can be on either the right or left side
> of one's face?

The Thirty 3 G? Yes, the boom can be rotated around to be on either
side of the face.

> The one demo unit I looked at was new and the mike boom was already broken,
> so it was impossible to tell. It was kind of just dangling, without the
> ability to be secure in either location. Are these headsets THAT fragile!

Yes, they are. Neither of my LightSpeeds lasted over 100 hours without
some part breaking, but at that time I didn't have the luxury to leave
the headsets in the aircraft after every flight.

Since then I have been flying with the Bose and I have not had any
problems in the 300 hours or so with them.

--
Peter

"kage" > wrote:
> Can the mike be rotated so that it can be on either the right or left
> side of one's face?
>
> The one demo unit I looked at was new and the mike boom was already
> broken, so it was impossible to tell. It was kind of just dangling,
> without the ability to be secure in either location. Are these headsets
> THAT fragile!
>
> Best,
> Karl

The mic can be rotated to either side.

As for the quality, I have about 80 hours on mine and no problems. Can not
speak of longevity.

--
Mike Flyin'8

Kage,

> Can the mike be rotated so that it can be on either the right or left side
> of one's face?

No.

>
> The one demo unit I looked at was new and the mike boom was already broken,
> so it was impossible to tell. It was kind of just dangling, without the
> ability to be secure in either location. Are these headsets THAT fragile!
>

No.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Peter,

> The Thirty 3 G? Yes, the boom can be rotated around to be on either
> side of the face.
>

No, it can't.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

> The mic can be rotated to either side.

Not on mine.


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert ) wrote:

> Peter,
>
> > The Thirty 3 G? Yes, the boom can be rotated around to be on either
> > side of the face.
> >
>
> No, it can't.

LOL! Tom, I have the headsets in my hand right now and the boom
*certainly* does rotate, as designed, around.

Now, why yours doesn't I will not be as bold as you to ASSUme, but that
does not take away from the fact that this feature is offered on
(newer/some/favorite customers only <G>) Thirty 3G headsets.


--
Peter

Peter R. ) wrote:

> Thomas Borchert ) wrote:
>
> > Peter,
> >
> > > The Thirty 3 G? Yes, the boom can be rotated around to be on either
> > > side of the face.
> > >
> >
> > No, it can't.
>
> LOL! Tom, I have the headsets in my hand right now and the boom
> *certainly* does rotate, as designed, around.
>
> Now, why yours doesn't I will not be as bold as you to ASSUme, but that
> does not take away from the fact that this feature is offered on
> (newer/some/favorite customers only <G>) Thirty 3G headsets.

Alright, I'll admit that this thread inspired me to call LS because the
plastic band on my Thirty 3G's has been broken for a few months and I
had been putting off the repair.

While on the phone, I asked the tech/customer support if the mic boom is
designed to spin around to offer either left or right use.

The tech stated that no, it is not designed to do this. Ummm, then why
is mine doing it, I asked. Most likely the nut inside the earcup came
loose, he replied.

So, I was wrong, and to boot I have another repair I need to make to my
headsets. :)


--
Peter

Peter R. wrote:

> So, I was wrong, and to boot I have another repair I need to make to my
> headsets. :)

Interesting. I'm pretty sure that my 25XL does permit this...or perhaps I
have a screw - I mean a nut - loose too.

My 25XLs were flawless for perhaps over 200 hours (not sure exactly when I
bought them) of rental/club use (ie. living in my flight bag; not in an
airplane). I recently started to have that funny microphone jack problem,
and called for repair.

I found that I could either upgrade to include the cellular phone plug or
trade-in for a 3G (or just have the jack fixed, but I really wanted the
cell phone feature). I chose the upgrade rather than the trade-in. So
far, it sounds like a good choice.

Has anyone made serious use of the cellular phone feature? The one time I
tried it out (engine running on the ground, I called my office) it was
somewhat problematic. I could barely hear the person to whom I was
speaking. It was as if the "mute when radio traffic occurs" feature had
engaged.

I have to add, though, that I liked the old battery box over the new one.
The new one has no immediate indication that the set is on (one has to
watch for a blinking light), and I've found myself turning the headset
on/off in flight with my knee.

It seems as if they took some steps backwards in the ergonomic department.

- Andrew

Well, that puts Lightspeed completely out of contention for my quest for an
ANR headset. My flying job involves swapping seats, and I'll be damned if
I'll put a left only mike on while sitting in the right seat.

Karl
Looking at Bose, although the company is best know for advertising, not
engineering!


"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
> Kage,
>
>> Can the mike be rotated so that it can be on either the right or left
>> side
>> of one's face?
>
> No.
>
>>
>> The one demo unit I looked at was new and the mike boom was already
>> broken,
>> so it was impossible to tell. It was kind of just dangling, without the
>> ability to be secure in either location. Are these headsets THAT fragile!
>>
>
> No.
>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>

kage wrote:
>
> Well, that puts Lightspeed completely out of contention for my quest for an
> ANR headset. My flying job involves swapping seats, and I'll be damned if
> I'll put a left only mike on while sitting in the right seat.
>
> Karl
> Looking at Bose, although the company is best know for advertising, not
> engineering!

Changing sides for the microphone on the Bose requires removing it (it's held on with
tiny screws) and reinstalling it on the other side. I think it would not hold up to
this for long. I also think it wouldn't be long before you dropped and lost a screw
if you do this at places like FBOs.

The Sennheiser microphone swivels completely. I recommend you check them out --
preferably in the air. The ANR is great and they're quite comfortable. The sound
quality did not work well for me, but many other people have reported excellent
results in other threads. That leads me to believe that they are not compatible with
my intercom for some reason.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

Andrew Gideon wrote:

> Peter R. wrote:
>
>
>>So, I was wrong, and to boot I have another repair I need to make to my
>>headsets. :)
>
>
> Interesting. I'm pretty sure that my 25XL does permit this...or perhaps I
> have a screw - I mean a nut - loose too.

All Lightspeeds, except the QFR series, have a one direction earcup.
That is why there is left/right stamped on the headset. The cord is
always on the left. If you are wearing yours with the cord on the right
they don't fit right and will cause the headset to not work right.

Kage,

What's the issue with having the boom mike on the left side when
you're sitting in the right seat? I'm a CFI(part time) and fly from
both seats(not at the same time.... ; )) and I've never even thought
of this as an issue.

Just curious....


"kage" > wrote in message
...
> Well, that puts Lightspeed completely out of contention for my quest for
> an ANR headset. My flying job involves swapping seats, and I'll be damned
> if I'll put a left only mike on while sitting in the right seat.
>
> Karl
> Looking at Bose, although the company is best know for advertising, not
> engineering!
>
>
> "Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Kage,
>>
>>> Can the mike be rotated so that it can be on either the right or left
>>> side
>>> of one's face?
>>
>> No.
>>
>>>
>>> The one demo unit I looked at was new and the mike boom was already
>>> broken,
>>> so it was impossible to tell. It was kind of just dangling, without the
>>> ability to be secure in either location. Are these headsets THAT
>>> fragile!
>>>
>>
>> No.
>>
>> --
>> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>>
>
>

I've used the cell phone feature quite a bit on my 30 3G's in the
few months I've had them. I've used them on the ground to call
friends and pick up IFR clearances. When talking to friends I
always ask them how I sound just to see how it's working and
everybody says I come in very clear.

Pete


"Andrew Gideon" > wrote in message
online.com...
> Peter R. wrote:
>
>> So, I was wrong, and to boot I have another repair I need to make to my
>> headsets. :)
>
> Interesting. I'm pretty sure that my 25XL does permit this...or perhaps I
> have a screw - I mean a nut - loose too.
>
> My 25XLs were flawless for perhaps over 200 hours (not sure exactly when I
> bought them) of rental/club use (ie. living in my flight bag; not in an
> airplane). I recently started to have that funny microphone jack problem,
> and called for repair.
>
> I found that I could either upgrade to include the cellular phone plug or
> trade-in for a 3G (or just have the jack fixed, but I really wanted the
> cell phone feature). I chose the upgrade rather than the trade-in. So
> far, it sounds like a good choice.
>
> Has anyone made serious use of the cellular phone feature? The one time I
> tried it out (engine running on the ground, I called my office) it was
> somewhat problematic. I could barely hear the person to whom I was
> speaking. It was as if the "mute when radio traffic occurs" feature had
> engaged.
>
> I have to add, though, that I liked the old battery box over the new one.
> The new one has no immediate indication that the set is on (one has to
> watch for a blinking light), and I've found myself turning the headset
> on/off in flight with my knee.
>
> It seems as if they took some steps backwards in the ergonomic department.
>
> - Andrew
>

Two reasons, other than tradition!

It is a cord that has to dangle across your chest.

And, more importantly, it inhibits normal conversation and vision between
crew. There is no reason for a left only headset.

David Clark knows this well. Plus you can drive a truck over a DC and they
will still work. I guess comfort comes at a price.

Karl


"Peter MacPherson" > wrote in message
news:Qsg9d.85085$He1.79242@attbi_s01...
> Kage,
>
> What's the issue with having the boom mike on the left side when
> you're sitting in the right seat? I'm a CFI(part time) and fly from
> both seats(not at the same time.... ; )) and I've never even thought
> of this as an issue.
>
> Just curious....
>
>
> "kage" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Well, that puts Lightspeed completely out of contention for my quest for
>> an ANR headset. My flying job involves swapping seats, and I'll be damned
>> if I'll put a left only mike on while sitting in the right seat.
>>
>> Karl
>> Looking at Bose, although the company is best know for advertising, not
>> engineering!
>>
>>
>> "Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Kage,
>>>
>>>> Can the mike be rotated so that it can be on either the right or left
>>>> side
>>>> of one's face?
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The one demo unit I looked at was new and the mike boom was already
>>>> broken,
>>>> so it was impossible to tell. It was kind of just dangling, without the
>>>> ability to be secure in either location. Are these headsets THAT
>>>> fragile!
>>>>
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Makes sense. Thanks.


"kage" > wrote in message
...
> Two reasons, other than tradition!
>
> It is a cord that has to dangle across your chest.
>
> And, more importantly, it inhibits normal conversation and vision between
> crew. There is no reason for a left only headset.
>
> David Clark knows this well. Plus you can drive a truck over a DC and they
> will still work. I guess comfort comes at a price.
>
> Karl
>
>
> "Peter MacPherson" > wrote in message
> news:Qsg9d.85085$He1.79242@attbi_s01...
>> Kage,
>>
>> What's the issue with having the boom mike on the left side when
>> you're sitting in the right seat? I'm a CFI(part time) and fly from
>> both seats(not at the same time.... ; )) and I've never even thought
>> of this as an issue.
>>
>> Just curious....
>>
>>
>> "kage" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Well, that puts Lightspeed completely out of contention for my quest for
>>> an ANR headset. My flying job involves swapping seats, and I'll be
>>> damned if I'll put a left only mike on while sitting in the right seat.
>>>
>>> Karl
>>> Looking at Bose, although the company is best know for advertising, not
>>> engineering!
>>>
>>>
>>> "Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Kage,
>>>>
>>>>> Can the mike be rotated so that it can be on either the right or left
>>>>> side
>>>>> of one's face?
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The one demo unit I looked at was new and the mike boom was already
>>>>> broken,
>>>>> so it was impossible to tell. It was kind of just dangling, without
>>>>> the
>>>>> ability to be secure in either location. Are these headsets THAT
>>>>> fragile!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Peter MacPherson wrote:

> I've used the cell phone feature quite a bit on my 30 3G's in the
> few months I've had them. I've used them on the ground to call
> friends and pick up IFR clearances. When talking to friends I
> always ask them how I sound just to see how it's working and
> everybody says I come in very clear.

Do you happen to know if you've enabled the "mute" feature (which reduces
the volume of the phone when there's radio traffic)? I'm thinking that my
results will be better if I turn this off.

- Andrew

GR

Do you have a Bose headset? Can't you just swivel the mike on it's
attachment, turn the headset around and place it on your head? Or are the
headphones not symmetrical, like the Lightspeed?

Karl
I need to get a set in my hands! The David Clarks that I've used most of my
life are great, if you can stand the bleeding!


"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> kage wrote:
>>
>> Well, that puts Lightspeed completely out of contention for my quest for
>> an
>> ANR headset. My flying job involves swapping seats, and I'll be damned if
>> I'll put a left only mike on while sitting in the right seat.
>>
>> Karl
>> Looking at Bose, although the company is best know for advertising, not
>> engineering!
>
> Changing sides for the microphone on the Bose requires removing it (it's
> held on with
> tiny screws) and reinstalling it on the other side. I think it would not
> hold up to
> this for long. I also think it wouldn't be long before you dropped and
> lost a screw
> if you do this at places like FBOs.
>
> The Sennheiser microphone swivels completely. I recommend you check them
> out --
> preferably in the air. The ANR is great and they're quite comfortable. The
> sound
> quality did not work well for me, but many other people have reported
> excellent
> results in other threads. That leads me to believe that they are not
> compatible with
> my intercom for some reason.
>
> George Patterson
> If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to
> have
> been looking for it.

kage wrote:
> Two reasons, other than tradition!
>
> It is a cord that has to dangle across your chest.

Or behind you.

>
> And, more importantly, it inhibits normal conversation and vision between
> crew. There is no reason for a left only headset.

My eyes are in my head. Sounds like yours are somewhere in your
shoulder or possibly your left arm if the cord is getting in your way.
And how could it possibly inhibit conersation? Are you getting
strangled by the cord and therefore can't talk?


>
> David Clark knows this well. Plus you can drive a truck over a DC and they
> will still work.

No DC can be driven over by a truck and still work.

Peter MacPherson wrote:

> Makes sense. Thanks.
>
It actually makes no sense.

> Well, that puts Lightspeed completely out of contention for my quest for
> an ANR headset. My flying job involves swapping seats, and I'll be damned
> if I'll put a left only mike on while sitting in the right seat.

Interesting. My wife and I alternate legs on every flight, and we thus
switch seats and headphones all the time.

Since all of our headsets are LightSpeeds, we always have the mike boom on
the left side.

Just curious: Why is this a problem? Even when I had non-Lightspeed
headsets, I always wore the mike on the left.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

> Just curious: Why is this a problem? Even when I had non-Lightspeed
> headsets, I always wore the mike on the left.

Whoops -- shoulda read the thread before posting...

"Never mind..."
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

You mean.......like this response?

We're talking about preferences on wearing a headset....not how to cure
cancer!



"Newps" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Peter MacPherson wrote:
>
>> Makes sense. Thanks.
>>
> It actually makes no sense.
>
>

It's not that big a problem. I'd just rather bleed from the head than wear
my mike on the WRONG side. Kind of like a Girlie Man. Lightspeed is the only
manufacturer I've run into that doesn't allow a swap.

It must be a slightly widespread problem since the only 3G's I've ever had
my hands on were already broken in the mike hinge area. And they were brand
new. Must have been some other clumsy corporate pilot had his hands on em!

I am looking for a deal on Bose. The best price I see is only about $50 off
retail. I do have a set of older Telex ANR-200s. They work fine on the jet
but are completely overwhelmed in the firebreathing Cessna 185, one of the
noisiest civil airplanes ever made.

Karl

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:oJn9d.209165$D%.105797@attbi_s51...
>> Well, that puts Lightspeed completely out of contention for my quest for
>> an ANR headset. My flying job involves swapping seats, and I'll be damned
>> if I'll put a left only mike on while sitting in the right seat.
>
> Interesting. My wife and I alternate legs on every flight, and we thus
> switch seats and headphones all the time.
>
> Since all of our headsets are LightSpeeds, we always have the mike boom on
> the left side.
>
> Just curious: Why is this a problem? Even when I had non-Lightspeed
> headsets, I always wore the mike on the left.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

Like, I could care what you could possibly think. Get some aviation
experience and come back to class!

Karl


"Newps" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> kage wrote:
>> Two reasons, other than tradition!
>>
>> It is a cord that has to dangle across your chest.
>
> Or behind you.
>
>>
>> And, more importantly, it inhibits normal conversation and vision between
>> crew. There is no reason for a left only headset.
>
> My eyes are in my head. Sounds like yours are somewhere in your shoulder
> or possibly your left arm if the cord is getting in your way. And how
> could it possibly inhibit conersation? Are you getting strangled by the
> cord and therefore can't talk?
>
>
>>
>> David Clark knows this well. Plus you can drive a truck over a DC and
>> they will still work.
>
> No DC can be driven over by a truck and still work.
>

Peter,

> LOL! Tom, I have the headsets in my hand right now and the boom
> *certainly* does rotate, as designed, around.
>

Ok, so look at the headset again. Now, what do you think those little
inscriptions on the earcups saying "left" and "right" are supposed to
mean? Then, tell me how you'll make the left cup sit on your left ear,
the right cup on your right ear, and the boom coming from the right.
See? Told you so.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Andrew,

As I said to Peter, the cups have left/right indications, so the
subject of a rotating boom is moot.

> Has anyone made serious use of the cellular phone feature?
>

Yes. One of the key tricks is that it will only work properly when
connected to an intercom or radio, so that the headset mic will get
power. Also, I have found very different results with different phones.

As for the box, the switch (in or out) gives you (or at least me ;-)) a
good indication of the status. Also, with auto-shut-off, it doesn't
really matter...

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Kage,

> My flying job involves swapping seats, and I'll be damned if
> I'll put a left only mike on while sitting in the right seat.
>

I wouldn't know why not, but to each his/her own.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Kage,

> There is no reason for a left only headset.
>

Well, yes, there is. And an excellent one. All headsets with good ANR
have asymmetrical earcups, since ANR works much better with those. DCs
don't have them. Tried their ANR yet?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Newps,

> > Makes sense. Thanks.
> >
> It actually makes no sense.
>

Agree.

And the run-over-by-truck-myth makes me wanna puke.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Kage,

> Get some aviation
> experience and come back to class!
>

Argument by authority sucks. But, nice try.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert wrote:

> Yes. One of the key tricks is that it will only work properly when
> connected to an intercom or radio, so that the headset mic will get
> power. Also, I have found very different results with different phones.

Perhaps so; I've not tried it otherwise. But I don't see how this is
related to the problem I described. The person on the phone could hear me;
I'd a lot of difficulty hearing her. As I said, it was as if the "auto
mute" feature (which drops telephone audio in favor of radio audio) was
enabled even though there was nothing on the radio at that moment.

> As for the box, the switch (in or out) gives you (or at least me ;-)) a
> good indication of the status.

It sounds like you've a different battery box than I. The original box had
an on/off button which was in for on and out for off. In my current
battery box, the button doesn't operate in this fashion. Instead, it is
always in the same position, but blinking if on.

> Also, with auto-shut-off, it doesn't
> really matter...

That's a good point. If it weren't for the other button issue - the button
is too easily pressed by my knee - I'd probably not care.

- Andrew

Andrew,

No, I wasn't using the mute function. I used it again last night
with no problems. I think it's a great feature on the headset.

Pete


"Andrew Gideon" > wrote in message
online.com...
> Peter MacPherson wrote:
>
>> I've used the cell phone feature quite a bit on my 30 3G's in the
>> few months I've had them. I've used them on the ground to call
>> friends and pick up IFR clearances. When talking to friends I
>> always ask them how I sound just to see how it's working and
>> everybody says I come in very clear.
>
> Do you happen to know if you've enabled the "mute" feature (which reduces
> the volume of the phone when there's radio traffic)? I'm thinking that my
> results will be better if I turn this off.
>
> - Andrew
>

I believe you are wrong. The Bose headset I tried had symmetrical earcups.

And the Bose, however I loathe the company, does not fall apart in one's
hands.

So, expert, just what all ANR headsets are asymmetrical. Where's the DATA?

Karl


"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
> Kage,
>
>> There is no reason for a left only headset.
>>
>
> Well, yes, there is. And an excellent one. All headsets with good ANR
> have asymmetrical earcups, since ANR works much better with those. DCs
> don't have them. Tried their ANR yet?
>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>

kage ) wrote:

> And the Bose, however I loathe the company, does not fall apart in one's
> hands.

As someone who has many hours on both the LightSpeeds and Bose, I agree
with you. The Bose are much better quality, but of course it comes at
double the price.

Based on my experience, though, if one values his/her time by the
dollar, a LightSpeed owner can quickly arrive at the difference in cost
due to headset downtime and time spent talking to LS customer service.

--
Peter

kage wrote:
>
> Do you have a Bose headset? Can't you just swivel the mike on it's
> attachment, turn the headset around and place it on your head? Or are the
> headphones not symmetrical, like the Lightspeed?

I have the Bose X. The microphone boom mounts on the side of your choice and points
forward. It does not swivel. The boom is flexible, so you can bend it around to the
correct position in front of your mouth, but a 180 bend isn't going to work. The
earcups are tilted to fit ears better, so the headset can only be worn one way.
Sounds to me that that is similar to the Lightspeed.

I also have a Bose Series I (which my wife prefers over all others). These can be
picked up fairly cheaply on Ebay. The earcups are directional on that also, and it
also uses a flexible boom mic, but the boom slides into a clip mount that mounts
pretty solidly to one earcup or the other. It appears to me that one could buy a
second clip, mount it to the other earcup, and switch the boom fairly easily, but I
have not tried this. The problem with the series I is that it's designed to run off
ship power. There *are* 12 volt battery packs on the market, but I have not tried
one, so I don't know how long batteries would last with one of these.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

kage wrote:
>
> I am looking for a deal on Bose. The best price I see is only about $50 off
> retail.

Unless Bose has changed policies recently, every retailer sells them for the same
price. The only time I've seen a "sale" price was from Bose itself at Oshkosh. You
might find a deal on Ebay.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

Peter MacPherson wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> No, I wasn't using the mute function. I used it again last night
> with no problems. I think it's a great feature on the headset.
>
> Pete

Excellent. I'll try turning that feature off.

Thanks...

Andrew

Andrew,

> In my current
> battery box, the button doesn't operate in this fashion.
>

Oh, ok, I thought we were talking about the 3G box. Sounds like you
have the current 20XL box. I don't like that switch much, either.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Kage,

> The Bose headset I tried had symmetrical earcups.
>

AFAIK there is a designated left and right cup on the Bose.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert wrote:

> Andrew,
>
>> In my current
>> battery box, the button doesn't operate in this fashion.
>>
>
> Oh, ok, I thought we were talking about the 3G box. Sounds like you
> have the current 20XL box. I don't like that switch much, either.

Really? Even though the box has a plug for the Cellular Phone?

That's somewhat annoying, in that it sounds like a downgrade from the 25XL
that I'd sent in for "upgrading".

- Andrew

Andrew Gideon wrote:

> Excellent. I'll try turning that feature off.

I mean: I'll try disabling "mute" to see if this helps.

- Andrew

Andrew,

> Really? Even though the box has a plug for the Cellular Phone?
>

Not sure if I understand. Yes, the 20XLc has an input for music and
cellphone. I don't know if it is the same box as on the 25, but it has
a translucent switch that blinks and doesn't have different on/off
positions.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Screw the little L's and R's, If it fits backwords then use it.

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
> Peter,
>
> > LOL! Tom, I have the headsets in my hand right now and the boom
> > *certainly* does rotate, as designed, around.
> >
>
> Ok, so look at the headset again. Now, what do you think those little
> inscriptions on the earcups saying "left" and "right" are supposed to
> mean? Then, tell me how you'll make the left cup sit on your left ear,
> the right cup on your right ear, and the boom coming from the right.
> See? Told you so.
>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>

Thomas Borchert wrote:

> Andrew,
>
>> Really? Even though the box has a plug for the Cellular Phone?
>>
>
> Not sure if I understand. Yes, the 20XLc has an input for music and
> cellphone. I don't know if it is the same box as on the 25, but it has
> a translucent switch that blinks and doesn't have different on/off
> positions.

I had a 25XL. I'd a choice whether to trade it in for a 3G or merely
"upgrade" it to have the cell-phone feature. I chose the latter route.

It sounds like the "upgrade" involved replacing the 25XL battery box with
that from the 20XLc (based upon what you've written). I like the
cell-phone feature (although I've had problems with it the one time I tried
it, I expect I can "fix" this by turning the "auto mute" function off), so
I came out ahead. But excluding the new feature, I prefer the original
battery box.

- Andrew

" <gdbutler at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Screw the little L's and R's, If it fits backwords then use it.

If they didn't mean for it to be reversable, they'd have called them "port"
and "starboard".

- Andrew

> Based on my experience, though, if one values his/her time by the
> dollar, a LightSpeed owner can quickly arrive at the difference in cost
> due to headset downtime and time spent talking to LS customer service.

This was undoubtedly true with the older, "pre-3G" Lightspeed headsets. I
sent my 15s and 20XLs back more times than I care to remember...

Since the Twenty 3G models, however, they seem to have solved their quality
control issues. Our three pair have been absolutely bulletproof.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

> Based on my experience, though, if one values his/her time by the
> dollar, a LightSpeed owner can quickly arrive at the difference in cost
> due to headset downtime and time spent talking to LS customer service.

This was undoubtedly true with the older, "pre-3G" Lightspeed headsets. I
sent my 15s and 20XLs back more times than I care to remember...

Since the Twenty 3G models, however, they seem to have solved their quality
control issues. Our three pair have been absolutely bulletproof.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

kage wrote:
>
> I believe you are wrong. The Bose headset I tried had symmetrical earcups.

I have a Bose Series I and a Bose X. Both have designated left and right earcups. It
would be very difficult to wear either set backwards.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

kage wrote:
>
> I believe you are wrong. The Bose headset I tried had symmetrical earcups.

I have a Bose Series I and a Bose X. Both have designated left and right earcups. It
would be very difficult to wear either set backwards.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

Thomas Borchert ) wrote:

> Ok, so look at the headset again. Now, what do you think those little
> inscriptions on the earcups saying "left" and "right" are supposed to
> mean? Then, tell me how you'll make the left cup sit on your left ear,
> the right cup on your right ear, and the boom coming from the right.
> See? Told you so.

Didn't see my previous retraction, eh?

--
Peter

Jay Honeck ) wrote:

> This was undoubtedly true with the older, "pre-3G" Lightspeed headsets. I
> sent my 15s and 20XLs back more times than I care to remember...
>
> Since the Twenty 3G models, however, they seem to have solved their quality
> control issues. Our three pair have been absolutely bulletproof.

Wish I could share your experience. Unfortunately, I spent a half hour
two days ago replacing the blue band connecting the two ear cups because
it had snapped in half. I honestly do not know how that happened but I
would guess it occurred at some point after being stuffed in my flight
bag. This kind of damage would not have occurred with either DCs or the
Bose.

I have yet to tackle the problem with the loose mic boom. After
removing the foam cover, I noticed a silicone bead that must be broken
to remove the speaker to get at the nut holding the mic boom. I do have
LS's blessing to open the ear cup, but since I am hesitant to break the
silicone bead and possibly introduce a problem with the ANR, I think
I'll send these back for the repair instead.

This will be the fourth time I had to return this model for some type of
repair.

--
Peter

> This will be the fourth time I had to return this model for some type of
> repair.

Wow -- that sounds like our old Lightspeed 15s.

Our Twenty 3Gs are treated pretty tenderly, compared to yours (i.e.: The
flightbag treatment) -- but that never seemed to prevent our older
Lightspeeds from breaking all the time. The new designs are much more
robustly designed.

As I stated, our three pair of Twenty 3Gs have been completely trouble-free.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"